EERSTE OUD AFFIE WAT OORSEE RUGBY SPEEL
FLORUS DUVENAGE - 1965
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Daar is heelwat Oud Affies wat oorsee rugby gepeel het en nog steeds speel. Die kriteria om te kwalifiseer vir die lys is dat die span waarvoor gespeel word op ongeveer dieselfde standaard/vlak is as SA Rugby se Curriebeker en hoër. Inligting wat ek gehad het tot ongeveer ‘n maand terug was die eerste speler wat oorsee gespeel het Heinz Pflügler wat in 1987 vir die Rovigo Klub in Italië gespeel het.
Florus Duvenage (1960 1e span) se mede spelers van sy tyd op Affies het onthou dat Florus moontlik vir die Junior All Blacks gespeel het in die vroeg sestigs. Na ‘n epos aan NZ Rugby in 2014 het ek ‘n antwoord ontvang dat hy wel in NZ was vir ‘n kort tydjie maar beslis nie vir die Junior All Blacks gespeel het nie.10 Jaar later op 14 Augustus 2024 ontvang die AHS Argivaris (Engela Hechter) ‘n navraag van Adrian Hill die “Hawke’s Bay RU Statistician” uit NZ en dit lees as volg: Hello Affies Would you have an admission record for Floris Duvenage with his date/place of birth? Would you know if he is still alive? He is the son of 1949 Springbok Floris Duvenage. Floris junior played provincial rugby for Tranavaal 1964 and 1966/1967 and for Hawke’s Bay in New Zealand in 1965. Adrian se navraag kom na aanleiding van Florus Duvenage se naam wat verskyn op die Oud Affie lys van spelers wat verteenwoordigende rugby gespeel het in SA na skool. Die lys verskyn op Affies Rugby Statistiek Dit was bekend op AHS dat Florus se Pa die Oud Springbok Floors Duvenage is. Sy noem naam is daar nie voor bevestiging en dit kan Florus of Floris wees. Selfs sy van word partykeer verkeerd gespel. Dit is Duvenage en nie Duvenhage nie Florus se tyd op Affies is met die hulp van die AHS Argivaris en die Duvenage familieboom vasgestel. Florus was vanaf St 8 op Affies vanaf HS Voortrekker in Benoni. Soos Adrian Hill uitgewys het, het Florus nie vanaf 1964 – 67 vir Tvl gespeel soos vervat in die twee bronne “TRVU 1889 – 1989” en “A LIONS TALE 120 Years of The Red and White”. Dit was: Transvaal - 1964,66,67. Hawke’s Bay NZ – 1965 Florus het in 1965 rugby in Nieu Zeeland gespeel en Adrian het koerantberigte waarin Florus baie prominent was aan my gestuur. Sien uittreksels en opskrifte van berigte in Nieu Zeelandse koerante aan die einde van die skrywe.. |
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Die kersie op die koek van Florus se ekskursie na NZ in 1965 was dat hy in sy laaste wedstryd vir Hawke’s Bay gespeel het teen die Springbokke wat in 1965 getoer het in Nieu Zeeland. Die 1965 Wedstryd program fotos van die Springbok en Hawkes Bay span verskyn hieronder..
Ongelukkig is dit waar Florus se storie eindig. Na vele oproepe na en gesprekke met Oud Affies van sy tyd kon nog geen kontak gemaak word met Florus nie. Die 1960 matriek groep en spelers met wie hy saam mee gespeel het, het geen inligting van Florus post 1967!!!
Familie inligting is beperk tot die Duvenage familieboom op Facebook, Florus se registrasie inligting by AHS en Florus se Pa en Ma se se sterfkennis van 1999 waarop geen kontak inligting verskyn nie!!
Navrae op facebook in Desember 2024 het weereens bevestig dat daar geen sterfkennis is van Florus of sy suster in SA is nie.
Die eerste Oud Affies wat oorsee gespeel het is as volg:
Johan Snyman
29 Januarie 2025
BRONNE:
Ongelukkig is dit waar Florus se storie eindig. Na vele oproepe na en gesprekke met Oud Affies van sy tyd kon nog geen kontak gemaak word met Florus nie. Die 1960 matriek groep en spelers met wie hy saam mee gespeel het, het geen inligting van Florus post 1967!!!
Familie inligting is beperk tot die Duvenage familieboom op Facebook, Florus se registrasie inligting by AHS en Florus se Pa en Ma se se sterfkennis van 1999 waarop geen kontak inligting verskyn nie!!
Navrae op facebook in Desember 2024 het weereens bevestig dat daar geen sterfkennis is van Florus of sy suster in SA is nie.
Die eerste Oud Affies wat oorsee gespeel het is as volg:
- Florus Duvenage - 1965
- Heinz Pflügler - 1996
- Grant Esterhuizen - 2000
- Pierre Ribbens - 2001
- Dirkie Strydom - 2002
Johan Snyman
29 Januarie 2025
BRONNE:
- Adrian Hill – Hawke’s Bay RU Statistician
- Daily Telegraph NZ koerant - 1965
- Juan Duvenage – Duvenage Familieboom (OA 2002 woon in Australie)
- Engela Hechter – AHS Argivaris
- Boek, TRVU 1889 – 1989
- Boek, A Lions Tale – 120 Years of the Red and White
- AHS Jaarblaaie 1958 – 1960
- Internet
1. Program van Hawkes Bay vs Springbokke en foto van Florus op spanfoto in die agterste ry. - 3e van regs.
2. KOERANT BERIGTE
ARRIVEER IN HAWKE'S BAY
ONDERHOUD MET FLORUS
HAWKE'S BAY KLUB GROET FLORUS
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ARRIVEER IN HAWKE'S BAY
NAPIER GAIN.
DUVENAGE….IN HAWKE’S BAY 6 MONTHS.
A 21-year old Transvaal representative, Florus Duvenage will play Rugby in Hawke’s Bay this season.
Duvenage, an outside back, represented Transvaal in the South African provincial Rugby competition last season.
He will make his first appearance in Hawke’s Bay Rugby in a floodlit match at Mclean Park, Napier. On Wednesday, March 24.
He will play for Napier High School Old Boys.
Duvenage arrived in Napier almost a week ago to complete a quality control system at Rothman’s Napier installation.
TRAINING RUNS
Before coming to New Zealand he had begun serious training but, since he has been here, he has undergone light training runs of about three to four miles daily. He said he would not start serious training until he has built up his weight. On the four day flight from South Africa to New Zealand through Europe he lost almost a stone in weight.
He is in New Zealand for six moths and expects to return to SA in early September.
He is already looking forward to the start of the Hawkes’s Bay season.
Duvenage represented Transvaal as both a wing and a centre.
DUVENAGE….IN HAWKE’S BAY 6 MONTHS.
A 21-year old Transvaal representative, Florus Duvenage will play Rugby in Hawke’s Bay this season.
Duvenage, an outside back, represented Transvaal in the South African provincial Rugby competition last season.
He will make his first appearance in Hawke’s Bay Rugby in a floodlit match at Mclean Park, Napier. On Wednesday, March 24.
He will play for Napier High School Old Boys.
Duvenage arrived in Napier almost a week ago to complete a quality control system at Rothman’s Napier installation.
TRAINING RUNS
Before coming to New Zealand he had begun serious training but, since he has been here, he has undergone light training runs of about three to four miles daily. He said he would not start serious training until he has built up his weight. On the four day flight from South Africa to New Zealand through Europe he lost almost a stone in weight.
He is in New Zealand for six moths and expects to return to SA in early September.
He is already looking forward to the start of the Hawkes’s Bay season.
Duvenage represented Transvaal as both a wing and a centre.
ONDERHOUD MET FLORUS
FAREWELL
FLORUS DUVENAGE GOES HOME
It was a great day for Florus Petrus Duvenage when his South African employers chose him for company training in Napier. It was also a great day for Rugby, Hawke’s Bay Rugby.
Today Florus Duvenage returns home. He leaves with Rugby folk, wherever he has played in New Zealand a lasting impression of a particularly fine Rugby player, a fast wing three quarter, a strong and determined runner and, above all, a good sportsman.
These have been exciting months for this quietly spoken and pleasant 22 year old Transvaaler since he arrived here in March, and as he told me this week, he takes away with him some treasured memories of Rugby in Hawke’s Bay.
Foremost is the honour of having played under the Hawke’s Bay captain Kelvin Tremain. (Tremain and Duvenage share the honours for Hawke’s Bay so far this season with 12 tries each).
CAPTAIN TREMAIN
Florus said he considered the South African Avril Malan to be the the greatest Rugby captain he has known. It was high praise when he added he thought Tremain was Malan’s equal.
Although Tremain probably did not know of it at the time, he was watched closely by the young Florus Duvenage when Tremain was in South Africa with the 1960 All Blacks.
Florus recalled the occasion when the All Blacks trained at the Pretoria Afrikaans Boys High School where Florus was a pupil.
“Little did I realise then that one day I would be playing in the same team as this great All Black forward,” he said.
It seams that Rugby was born into Florus, for as long as he can remember he has been kicking a football and, today, his family treasure of his kicking a football, almost as big as himself, and of a miniature pair of football boots he had as a child.
EARLY DAYS
At six years of age he was on the sideline watching Dr Danie Craven, the president of the South African Rugby Board, training his father F.P. Duvenage, who played in two tests against the 1949 All Blacks in South Africa.
During his schooling, Florus did not succeed in reaching a representative Rugby team and, in fact showed more promise as an athlete, reaching the South African junior championships in 1960 in the 200 yards. He was unplaced in this event.
Florus reached the under-19 trials while he was at university but was called into the senior xv which debarred him playing in the lower grade and thus precluded his selection in the representative team.
He played senior Rugby during his two years at Pretoria University while studying medicine but then decided that his future lay in a career in industry.
MANY INJURIES
Last season, Florus played three matches for Transvaal but received a leg injury and also had his ear torn and was out for the greater part of the season.
Injury has plagued him throughout the past four seasons and the fact that he played the whole season in Hawke’s Bay this year without injury he attributes to the intensive training the New Zealand Rugby players undertake.
I know the training here was rather strenuous but I know I have benefitted from it immensely. I don’t know when I’ve ever been fitter for Rugby.
“The whole social life in New Zeeland seems to revolve round the Rugby club whereas in South Africa there are so many other social attractions that players are nowhere near as keen to devote the same amount of time to their Club or to training” he said.
“I’ll be taking back a whole lot of ideas on this training programme. I know I’m the fittest I’ve ever been and I think the proof of this is the fact that I’ve not received injuries this season”, he added.
THRILLED
To wards the end of last season, Florus played for Quagga (the equivalent of a New Zealand Saracen team) and played under Doug Hopwood.
“I played under Doug in the last match in South Africa in 1964 and in 1965 I played my last match in Hawke’s Bay against the Springboks – which included Doug Hopwood” he said.
“I was thrilled when I knew I would be coming to New Zealand because I thought I would be able to see the ‘Boks play. I never dreamt I would be playing against them”
Asked If he would be able to come back next year, Florus said he had to do military training from March until December next year. He hoped to train in the South African Air Force and, if he did, he might be able to play Rugby in Frik Du Preez’ team.
“I would like to come back here and settle. I think it is a nice quit place to live, although perhaps just a little too quiet for a young single man” he added.
This was his first season he had played on the wing, having played most of his Rugby at centre.
TIGHTER RUGBY
“The game here is not so fast. The tighter game is good in its way - there is a knack in playing the tighter game just as there is a knack in playing the open game” he said.
At least I now have knowledge of how a game should be tightened up and of how a handle wet conditions.
I have been very fortunate in playing for a very fine club team (Napier High School Old Boys) and perhaps if I had played for a weaker club side you might not even know I’d been here?
It’s been a great experience playing for Hawke’s Bay, which I think is one of the best teams in New Zealand , even if victories are not there to prove it.
Bon Voyage, Florus. Maybe our boys will meet up again with you on the Rugby field. We hope so.
FLORUS DUVENAGE GOES HOME
It was a great day for Florus Petrus Duvenage when his South African employers chose him for company training in Napier. It was also a great day for Rugby, Hawke’s Bay Rugby.
Today Florus Duvenage returns home. He leaves with Rugby folk, wherever he has played in New Zealand a lasting impression of a particularly fine Rugby player, a fast wing three quarter, a strong and determined runner and, above all, a good sportsman.
These have been exciting months for this quietly spoken and pleasant 22 year old Transvaaler since he arrived here in March, and as he told me this week, he takes away with him some treasured memories of Rugby in Hawke’s Bay.
Foremost is the honour of having played under the Hawke’s Bay captain Kelvin Tremain. (Tremain and Duvenage share the honours for Hawke’s Bay so far this season with 12 tries each).
CAPTAIN TREMAIN
Florus said he considered the South African Avril Malan to be the the greatest Rugby captain he has known. It was high praise when he added he thought Tremain was Malan’s equal.
Although Tremain probably did not know of it at the time, he was watched closely by the young Florus Duvenage when Tremain was in South Africa with the 1960 All Blacks.
Florus recalled the occasion when the All Blacks trained at the Pretoria Afrikaans Boys High School where Florus was a pupil.
“Little did I realise then that one day I would be playing in the same team as this great All Black forward,” he said.
It seams that Rugby was born into Florus, for as long as he can remember he has been kicking a football and, today, his family treasure of his kicking a football, almost as big as himself, and of a miniature pair of football boots he had as a child.
EARLY DAYS
At six years of age he was on the sideline watching Dr Danie Craven, the president of the South African Rugby Board, training his father F.P. Duvenage, who played in two tests against the 1949 All Blacks in South Africa.
During his schooling, Florus did not succeed in reaching a representative Rugby team and, in fact showed more promise as an athlete, reaching the South African junior championships in 1960 in the 200 yards. He was unplaced in this event.
Florus reached the under-19 trials while he was at university but was called into the senior xv which debarred him playing in the lower grade and thus precluded his selection in the representative team.
He played senior Rugby during his two years at Pretoria University while studying medicine but then decided that his future lay in a career in industry.
MANY INJURIES
Last season, Florus played three matches for Transvaal but received a leg injury and also had his ear torn and was out for the greater part of the season.
Injury has plagued him throughout the past four seasons and the fact that he played the whole season in Hawke’s Bay this year without injury he attributes to the intensive training the New Zealand Rugby players undertake.
I know the training here was rather strenuous but I know I have benefitted from it immensely. I don’t know when I’ve ever been fitter for Rugby.
“The whole social life in New Zeeland seems to revolve round the Rugby club whereas in South Africa there are so many other social attractions that players are nowhere near as keen to devote the same amount of time to their Club or to training” he said.
“I’ll be taking back a whole lot of ideas on this training programme. I know I’m the fittest I’ve ever been and I think the proof of this is the fact that I’ve not received injuries this season”, he added.
THRILLED
To wards the end of last season, Florus played for Quagga (the equivalent of a New Zealand Saracen team) and played under Doug Hopwood.
“I played under Doug in the last match in South Africa in 1964 and in 1965 I played my last match in Hawke’s Bay against the Springboks – which included Doug Hopwood” he said.
“I was thrilled when I knew I would be coming to New Zealand because I thought I would be able to see the ‘Boks play. I never dreamt I would be playing against them”
Asked If he would be able to come back next year, Florus said he had to do military training from March until December next year. He hoped to train in the South African Air Force and, if he did, he might be able to play Rugby in Frik Du Preez’ team.
“I would like to come back here and settle. I think it is a nice quit place to live, although perhaps just a little too quiet for a young single man” he added.
This was his first season he had played on the wing, having played most of his Rugby at centre.
TIGHTER RUGBY
“The game here is not so fast. The tighter game is good in its way - there is a knack in playing the tighter game just as there is a knack in playing the open game” he said.
At least I now have knowledge of how a game should be tightened up and of how a handle wet conditions.
I have been very fortunate in playing for a very fine club team (Napier High School Old Boys) and perhaps if I had played for a weaker club side you might not even know I’d been here?
It’s been a great experience playing for Hawke’s Bay, which I think is one of the best teams in New Zealand , even if victories are not there to prove it.
Bon Voyage, Florus. Maybe our boys will meet up again with you on the Rugby field. We hope so.
HAWKE'S BAY KLUB GROET FLORUS
Florus Duvenage, the former Transvaal winger, received a Hawke’s Bay Rugby blazer from the Chairman of the Union. Mr W.S. Bramwell at a function after the match against the Springboks on Saturday.
Duvenage who has played for Hawke’s Bay side all the season, was playing his last match on Saturday against his fellow countrymen before returning to South Africa next week.
Mr Bramwell told Duvenage ”Wear this blazer and think of your good friends here. You have endeared yourself to us”.
The captain of Hawke’s Bay team, K.R. Tremain, thanked Duvenage for the way he had played for the team during the season.
“He has been a wonderful fellow” he said.
Duvenage in reply said he had enjoyed playing in the Hawke’s Bay team and being able to play under such a fine captain as Tremain.
Duvenage who has played for Hawke’s Bay side all the season, was playing his last match on Saturday against his fellow countrymen before returning to South Africa next week.
Mr Bramwell told Duvenage ”Wear this blazer and think of your good friends here. You have endeared yourself to us”.
The captain of Hawke’s Bay team, K.R. Tremain, thanked Duvenage for the way he had played for the team during the season.
“He has been a wonderful fellow” he said.
Duvenage in reply said he had enjoyed playing in the Hawke’s Bay team and being able to play under such a fine captain as Tremain.